European Crisis

[Orion63]

As a matter of curiosity, and since the forum is visited by a lot of people from European countries, I would like a sincere opinion about the crisis, what is the opinion of most people of your country, what should be done with Greece, Portugal, Ireland.

Don't be shy ^^. 

[Aino]

W... What?

Whats going on?! Whats this?! D:

I'm outdated... Alot I guess!

[Orion63]

Wow...I am impressed...So quick update:
Greece is still in risk of default. E.U. is avoiding this at all costs, since if this was to happen, both Portugal and Ireland would go pretty quicky, since most markets wouldn't trust those countries. After that probably even some "heavy-weight" countries could go down(Spain, mainly). After that, E.U. would be tared apart. Also, this would probably result in another world-wide recession.

You know, the usual...

Anyway, I wanted to know what do you all think about the entrance of certain countries in the Euro, if they should be expelled, why, if the IMF is acting accordingly, etc...

And don't forget, that China is going to start it's "World Conquer" plan, almost certainly...

[freddyhard]

all economic analysts are now certain that greece is going to default. when this happens the big euro countries are going to have to take this hit straight in the face in order to save the euro. (otherwise it will be a calamity that hit europe like the end of WWII)
any country that defaults should be kicked from the euro. this might not seem like a kick in the genitals, but Argentina went default back in 2002 and they lost their dollar. their new currency deflated by 70% in 6 months, leaving most people paupers and struggling to feed themselves.

ireland is running a sovereign debt (accrued out of total greed) that is manageable. essentially the civil servants are the highest paid in europe (including greece) that will not give up their over inflated salaries. e.g. full time second level teacher earns €50000 per year, with over 12 weeks holidays and 4 weeks sick leave. what has pushed ireland over the edge is the banking debt that when all is added up will leave ireland with about €230 billion to repay. they make about €20 billion and it costs €35 billion to run the country. they think they can close this gap by 2015, but with 480,000 people out of work with a population of less than 5 million it doesn't seem plausible that ireland will climb out of the hole it dug for itself.

ultimately it doesn't really matter because of the CO2 output by the first world countries and china is paving the way to finish off the planet (opening 30 coal mines a month). everyone knows that all the big countries are at war (organised murder) for energy (oil, gas).
when they start war for land (food) then we are at our final stages of extinction.

[Aino]

Well, freddy... I don't believe that will happen so, even though 30 coal mines are opened, 30 mines are closed later because there are no more coal left, and in the end there will be no more coal and we have to run out countries on green energy... It might be so that we have, in the year with no coal left, dug a huge hole in the ground, but the world will regenerate and balance it out again. Also, the more CO2, the more trees... Trees love CO2, right?

[Lost Seedling]

If I were German I would be highly pissed off right now!!!! Some of those countries should NEVER have been allowed in the EU as they were obviously basket-cases economically. It seems the human life-span is too short for most people to learn from history, as the same mistakes get repeated over the decades and centuries- but such is the human condition.

When the food shortages begin and the effects of post-peak oil make themselves known, societies will quickly crumble- will they turn to Facism or more Socialism? We all live within a few days of utter chaos. I'm afraid there is little political or societal will in Europe to take the actions necessary to avoid the coming crisis. Prepare yourself and your family for what could happen as best you can. The present contagion WILL spread!

Aaaa- don't get me started!

[Bonobo]

@Aino: How I wish that you were right. But think about the trees … how many square kilometres of forest land still is being »cleared« every day … much more than can be re-grown to eat up all our CO₂ …

BTW I’m German, and I’m currently at the lower end of the food chain … feeling the plankton bite my ass …

And my »prescription« would be: Send flowers! … i.e. push more money, not less, towards the weaker countries, most of which have much more sun radiation … invest in solar energy … energy production will be the great income chance for them. Plus tourism, I guess.

[freddyhard]

if we are to have 1 currency we need enforcement, not 'lets all play nice and be chums'.
the irish motto is 'show me a donkey and i'll ride it'. the irish are shysters at all levels.
CO2 output is not our only problem - rubbish moreover plastic. thousands of sq kilometers in size and 10m deep, there is 10 times more plastic in the pacific than plankton. 80% of the worlds sharks are gone. other animals are tethering on the brink of extintion as well and it all comes down to human greed. that's one that won't change so forget about any other changes.

[Aino]

We can agree to this: Humans have over the past 300 year created a deep scar in the world, it will never regenerate either...

[freddyhard]

actually i disagree.
'The planet is fine. The people are seeded.' - george carlin
earth will continue the finest long after we are gone. okay the only life on it might be a mutated styrofoam slug on the north and south poles, but the planet will be fine.

[Pilchard123]

lol @ styrofoam slug

[Aino]

Yeah, It'll be fine after 100.000 years after humans

[freddyhard]

and there will be a terrible war where the slugs will gum each other to death to control the coveted north pole. this will last 100,000 years (it's not easy kill someone by gumming them) where the ape man will return and squish the winners... i always thought that the meek shall inherit the earth.